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Fri Dec 2, 2005 Miss Vicky 

amckay writes: Here's a topic for hot discussion that's seasonal : where did my 3.5 year old learn about Santa Claus? Because I sure as heck didn't teach him!

All my life I thought to myself that when I eventually have kids, that I will not be teaching them about Santa Claus because basically he's nothing but a mascot for over-consumption. Capitalism gone wild, if you would. And now that my kids are at the age when most parents would be programming them to consume, I've decided to stick to my guns and do nothing of the sort. Especially so since in the meantime I've become a born-again Christian (in the literal sense of those words - I was not Christian for most of the middle of my life).

But now he's talking about Santa Claus! He knows who he is! Though I'm not sure he knows what he supposedly does. And I know my wife isn't the one who taught him because she more-or-less agrees with my stance on this.

So the real question is not where my son learned this (process of elimination produces the answer : "preschool"). The real question is whether or not I'm being an old Grinch in not perpetuating the Santa Claus myth with my kids.

FWIW I never believed in him, and I don't think I'm any worse off for it.


Hm, amckay, this last statement explains a lot about you ;)

Now, Miss Vicky does not yet have children, so it's difficult to provide advice. She does have a few notions, though, and perhaps some of the Faithful Legion can kick in their thoughts.

I don't think we can keep kids sheltered from our hyper-consumerist society. They are, after all, bombarded with it daily - our streets and public spaces are littered with visual pollution in the form of advertising. And even if you keep their internet use and tv exposure to a minimum, I'm not sure we do kids a favour if we pretend that consumer culture doesn't exist. Like it or not, we're steeped in capitalism, and it's not going away any time soon. We need to arm kids with the tools to question and challenge what they see and hear, we need to teach them about making good choices, and we need to provide alternatives so that "fun" does not become synonymous with "stuff". Or with particular brands of "stuff". We need to teach them the difference between want and need - heck, many of us could use a refresher course in that as well.

I'm a little surprised that your newly -rediscovered Christianity hasn't helped you work through your distrust of St. Nick. As cheap and tawdry as the Americanized image has become, its roots run deep in European Christian culture. This site gives you a pretty comprehensive look at the various incarnations of Santa Claus and St. Nicholas traditions around the world. Since you go to that german catholic church in the 'hood, why not teach your kids about some of the german traditions involving Sankt Nikolaus?

Or you can combat the consumerist take on the season by starting a few family traditions of your own, like putting together a food box for a needy family or volunteering at a local charity? Do something nice as a family for someone in the neighbourhood who might need help - and keep your good deed a secret. The point of the season is not hysterical buying, after all - it's supposed to be about selfless giving. And there's no reason that Santa can't visit in the middle of the night and fill up a stocking with homemade gifts, oranges, chocolate, and so on. You can keep the magic of the season alive without the consumerist message, I think. Innocence and wonder are such wonderful qualities, and we lose them far too fast.



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liss76 Dec 2, 2005 04:15 PM said:

;o) To clarify amckay's wife's POV:

I have nothing against Santa Claus.

I am not Christian, but I respect the beliefs behind the Christmas holiday. I was raised in a Christian household perpetuating the Santa myth.

However, I guess I'm more of a "call it what it is" sort of person.. We have very small stockings every year for the kids, and any Santa discussion is of the "sometimes it's fun to pretend" variety.

As mentioned, I am not Christian yet I am much more comfortable presenting this holiday as a "birthday party for Jesus" celebrated by us giving gifts to each other and to our family and friends than as a gift-giving bonanza starring Santa. I won't lie to my kids and say their stockings are from Santa, but if they wish to pretend that they are it is okay with me.

I agree that innocence and wonder are lost too fast, but I don't believe that Santa is the only magic in our children's lives. :o) I strongly feel that in general Santa is confusing to children--one of our nieces is terrified of the strange old man who sneaks into her house on Christmas Eve--and has become a symbol of rampant consumerism. Santa is a marketing ploy.

I would rather help my children to find and create their own magic, honestly. This year will be the first year I get #1 to drop our big food bank purchase into the bin at the grocery store, for example--this *is* a tradition for us.

amckay Dec 2, 2005 04:25 PM said:

Oh yeah, I'm totally jiggy on Sankt Niklaus. But he ain't Santa Klaus. St Nik comes on Dec 6th, for starters. Of course, North Americans loosely took that tradition and morphed it into Santa Claus, keeping a different form of the same name. But somewhat oddly, the Germans then took back Santa Klaus and call him Der Weinachtsmann (the Christmas man). I will teach my kids about Sankt Niklaus, but won't be teaching them about the Weihnachtsmann or Santa Claus.

amckay Dec 2, 2005 04:29 PM said:

Oh, and as for combating consumerism on other fronts : funny story time. We don't watch TV, though we do have a TV for watching DVDs. That's all our kids know. 2 month ago liss76 was at her parents' place with the kids, and #1 and #2 were watching TV. Whenever a commercial came on #1 got really mad at #2 because he thought #2 was screwing around with the TV. He had no idea what a commercial was! When she told me that, I knew right away we were doing something right!

Yes, I agree kids have to be prepared for our consumer society. But I don't think Santa Claus is a productive way to do that.

Rob Cottingham Dec 2, 2005 07:04 PM said:

All I can tell you is, when I put two and two together and came up with the reality behind Santa, it was one of the most depressing, disillusioning days of my childhood. (Didn't help that it happened on Christmas morning, either.) It was the moment I realized that my parents -- for entirely benevolent reasons -- were capable of lying to me through their teeth.

The Webgeek Dec 3, 2005 09:25 AM said:

All I can tell you is, when I put two and two together and came up with the reality behind Santa, it was one of the most depressing, disillusioning days of my childhood.

To that end, I don't recall ever believing in Santa. I always sorta knew it was my parents. In retrospect, I think it might have been doing "reveilon", a French Canadian thing where you stay up till midnight and open the gifts then (thereby giving Santa no chance to "visit" French Canadian families), with my mom's family that tipped me off.

I remember playing along for years though, 'cause it was sorta fun, and my brother used to get excited about it.

I do remember being very quiet in school about this fact too. I was very cogniscent of the potential devistation I could deliver if I told any of my friends "the truth". amckay, if you do tell your kids about Santa, make sure they don't spread it too loudly at school.

gorked Dec 3, 2005 08:25 PM said:

Kids are smarter than we give them credit for sometimes - a couple of years ago on the nighht before Christmas my three year old asked me as I tucked her in - Daddy, is Santa Claus real? So I think that most of them are just playing along too.

pinklitva Dec 4, 2005 07:29 AM said:

I believe in Santa and have spent incredible amounts of energy (sometimes involving Miss Vicky herself) to perpetuate belief in Santa and as well as the Easter Bunny.

Kids+santa=magic

Charity is separate to this and takes place every day of the year in our house.

I don't think I understand how the discarding of the 'trappings of late moder life' is part of being 'reborn' into Christianity. I don't completely understand why Santa is so problematic. But as someone who has been raised Roman Catholic, I tend to view Reborn Christians as bemusing - sometimes reminding me of people who are recovering smokers.......







amckay Dec 4, 2005 12:29 PM said:

As I mentioned, "born again Christian" in the purest sense of the words. "Born-again Catholic" to be more specific. I was raised Catholic but did not follow the religion for some 20 years or so until recently. And I'm not connecting that with being an anti-consumer. I'm saying that the 2 factors separately both mean I have problems with Santa.

From the PoV of an anti-consumer, Santa is problematic for me because he breeds a culture of "gimme, gimme, gimme". He is about consumption, and that's about it. From the PoV of a Christian - well - I'm hoping that much is obvious.

And while I agree that "kids+santa=magic", I have also experienced that "kids+X=magic" where X can be any one of a very broad range of things. My kids get no shortage of magic in their lives without Santa. I'd sooner they believe in Harry Potter's magic, than Santa's, to be quite honest.

Flanders Dec 4, 2005 09:23 PM said:

As my oldest kid approaches 10, I'm afraid to report bad news on the consumerism front. The botom line is that kids at school naturally compare their lot in life with other kids and that means what toys/games/clothes do others have that i don't? And why won't you get me an gameboy/xbox/playstation like every other kid in my class if not the entire universe has?

Our oldest figured out Santa a long time ago, but plays along for the sake of his siblings. (I suspect our middle one has it figured out as well.) But hey, why spoil it, when there are presents to be had.


pinklitva Dec 5, 2005 05:37 AM said:

Admittedly I am A-OK with consumerism. As Miss Vicky says, its a fact of modern life.

There are some limits:

1. Very Very large diamonds - this is just unnecessary and guache
2. Flashy cars - I don't understand why you spend loads of money to drive around .

I think thats it. Wait!

3. Stereos - what is with the desire for large stereo? In fact, I will put most entertainment equipement in this category like those big TV's.

Otherwise - I love to consume!!! And if I can do it in the name of a fictitious character - what is weird about that....

ho ho ho

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