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Fri Jun 17, 2005 Miss Vicky 

CBC Radio's Julie Ireton had a piece on Ottawa Morning on the government's use of contract workers and temp agencies. She'll be following up this feature tomorrow morning on The House.

It's about time someone started to pay attention to the use and abuse of temporary work in this country.

According to Statistics Canada, temporary employment is on the rise, accounting for 1/5 of the overall growth in paid employment between 1997 and 2003, and there is a substantial salary gap between temporary and permanent employees. The Law Commission of Canada is investigating the status of precarious workers and will hopefully make some recommendations for legislation that could regulate work status.

I surfed the contract job scene for quite a while before I landed my current gig (organizing contingent academic employees, btw). And it sucked. Not only is the pay inadequate, but you rarely get benefits and the instability leads to tremendous stress at work and at home. I suppose some folks like and want the flexibility of contract work (I think they like to call themselves consultants), but there are plenty of folks who don't do this by choice. There just aren't that many options.

Since I've gotten to know the Webgeek, I've learned a lot about how the Federal government uses contract workers, especially where IT is concerned. It's a scandal, really. A massive scam to filter money to temp agencies. Webgeek can elaborate, but here's my take on how it works. The feds seem to contract out massive portions of their IT work.... they put out a Request For Proposals indicating their needs for a specific project. Staffing agencies recruit candidates from their pool of self-employed and under-employed workers, through job search websites and other sources, then submit their proposal to take on the project. Proposals are, presumably, analysed by the appropriate government department - and the candidates recruited by the staffing agency have to meet the specific requirements outlined by the RFP (some of which can be obscure, inappropriate, arbitrary and ridiculous). By the time the contract is granted to an agency, the candidate who participated in the RFP is likely working somewhere else, and then other workers are brought in by the agency to fill the gaps. By the time this happens, there's not much time left to do the work, so the suckers who get the jobs have to work their assess off to meet inappropriate deadlines and expectations.

Sole proprietors like Webgeek can't bid on projects - they have to go through the staffing agencies, who of course skim off a significant proportion of the pay for the work.

Surely it would be cheaper for the government to hire IT workers, pay them appropriately and give them the benefits and security that people need. Or at the very least, they could save money by allowing anyone to bid on work - cut out the extra layer of bureaucracy.

Some private sector IT workers in the US have rebelled against this permatemp model. There doesn't seem to be an appetite for this here, on the part of high tech workers or the labour movement (which is largely silent on the issue of precarious work, although the CLC has done some research lately.

It's time for some real, collaborative action on employment status. What about bringing together business, labour and government to look at ways to address our two-tiered employment system?

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The Webgeek Jun 17, 2005 12:31 PM said:

Proposals are, presumably, analysed by the appropriate government department - and the candidates recruited by the staffing agency have to meet the specific requirements outlined by the RFP (some of which can be obscure, inappropriate, arbitrary and ridiculous).

Since all government contracts are supposed to be open to all (or at least all recruiters from a specific "approved" list)sometime the obscurity of a requirement is deliberate, if they're trying to hire a specific person or company. They'll include a bizarre mix of technologies that can, realistically, only be delivered by one person in particular.

However, at other times, it's the specific combination of skills that they require, and the rigidity to meeting that *exact* combination that's infuriating. Someone decides to use Database A with server technology B to deliver a web application. So the RFP states that the candidate needs X years using Database A *with* server tech B. So that means that if I have 4 time X years experience with Database A and 5 times X years experience with technology B, but only used them in tandem for say half of X, then I am considered inadequate for the position. And the frustrating thing is, instead of re-evaluating the criteria, or considering the "close to but not exact" applicants, when they can't find an exact match in a reasonable time, they simply extend the search until they find *someone* somewhere that looks good on paper. More often than not, that person, who've they've spent massive amounts of money and time on finding and shipping in, turns out to be a dud, so then there's a last minute scramble to find someone who can actually do the job, regardless of exactness of criteria. That's usually me.

liss76 Jun 17, 2005 02:34 PM said:

I think I've mentioned before that I worked in the gov't before choosing to become a SAHM.

I got hired at the Geological Survey of Canada as part of an internship program being run by the gov't--essentially I worked my a$$ off for them full-time for a year and got a measly $15K in return. At the end of my internship, some of the other employees were shifting positions and there was a CR-04 opening. They offered it to me as a term position. Once I had completed the max number of days working in that capacity for their group, their hands were tied--in order to keep working for them IN THE SAME POSITION FOR THE SAME PAY, I had to register with a temp agency. They then paid my salary to the temp agency, who skimmed off their percentage--in effect, leaving me doing the same job but for less money than before.

I was then renewed on a three month basis for 7 or 8 months before some job shifting left the position officially 'open' and allowed them to hire me for it by writing a req for the job that effectively excluded anyone except me from being able to apply for it--even so, that was only on short-term contracts (6mos, I believe) and I would go home on a Friday with my contract over and return Monday hoping they had my new paperwork ready to sign. That happened at least three times.

I can't complain about everything--they got me french training and I was able to do conservation work that I'd never have been allowed to do anywhere else, but it was a real kick in the pants when a total screw-up (who I was always picking up after) was able to get a full-time position and a raise, and they couldn't even guarantee me a job.

Miss Vicky Jun 17, 2005 02:56 PM said:

that is just brutal.

amckay Jun 17, 2005 03:14 PM said:

liss76's experience in the federal government was around the time I started to become a disallusioned socialist, and started to realise that big government is just a big waste of money. In fact, it was probably a huge factor in my change-of-heart.

All good points so far. What enfuriates me is how neatly compartmentalist the government agencies seem to have everyone, as the OP suggested. Watching my wife come home from work almost every day with another ridiculous story of how my tax dollars were being wasted extraordinaire really just made me realise more-and-more that the government is simply incapable of doing most of what it pretends to do. Or at least it is incapable of doing it efficiently. Too many political factors at play, most of which take much higher priority than just getting the job done. e.g. the whole language thing. but there are many others.

While I agree that contract working is a huge problem, let's not paint everyone with the same brush. I work at Nortel and where I work we have agency contractors who have been on our team many years. While some of them would like nothing more than to get a "blue badge" (i.e. become a NOrtel employee), others you ask would not want this at all. And in fact some have said they'd leave if they were forced to become Nortel employees. And they felt that way before the downturn.

The Webgeek Jun 17, 2005 03:44 PM said:

big government is just a big waste of money

No, big bureaucracy is a big waste of money. I'm truly of the belief that a government could easily cut spending and increase services (or at least one of the two) simply by doing 3 things.

1) Truly standardize tools and procedures across all departments and governments. Each department is an ivory tower. There is so much overlapping of information and procedure and process it's not funny.
2) Get rid of dead wood. There's loads of really competent gov't employees that really want to do their job properly, but mixed in there are these stalwarts whose only goal in life is to make sure they can't get fired. They oppose any change and drag their feet and never share knowledge so that they become "indispensable". They waste everyone's time, and suck the life out of departments. It'll be tough to do, but if you could loose these people (and I mean fire them, don't laterally transfer them to another department) and I'm sure productivity would increase ten fold.
3) Restructure the internal budgetary process. Every fiscal year each department gets given an allotment to spend that year. They can't plan past a specific fiscal year because they don't know what the budget will be past April 30th. Each year a huge "hording" mentality sets in for the first two quarters, where they cut project budgets and freeze hiring and new development "just in case they run out of funding" and then, in the third quarter, they crack open the reserves a bit because they've frozen development too much and need to fix stuff that's breaking down. Fourth quarter is a mad spending free for all as they realize that they have been too fiscally reserved and need to spend what they've been budgeted or they'll lose it, so all sorts of useless "make work" projects suddenly pop up in the final quarter.

The Webgeek Jun 17, 2005 03:46 PM said:

"simply by doing 3 things." was, of course, sarcasm.

Actually doing any 1 of those things would be mighty benifitial.

Hugh Jun 17, 2005 08:58 PM said:

It's been a government plan for about 30 years to take away whatever power democracy gives us and turn us back into Vasals and serfs in effect.

Keep everyone on edge to control them.

Question is: Who's running the conspiracy? Swiss bankers? Or some other somewhat secret society?

I can tell you the poor quality of multi-family housing is all part of a great plan of control.

Sick!

Hugh Jun 17, 2005 09:05 PM said:

And I forgot. The temporary employee system cuts union power.

liss76 Jun 18, 2005 09:52 AM said:

I agree with Hugh's temp emp comment, but the worst part of my gov't emplyment was actually when I was a term emp and therefore having to pay union dues but getting none of the protection. In fact, when I was a term employee the union was actually trying to change things so that there would be fewer term employees (though not in such a way that I'd have been able to keep my job). I was paying dues for them to represent me and lose me a job.

Argh.

I'm not convinced that unions for the public service are really the way to go at this point anyway--but that is more than likely a direct result of a number of full-time slacker screw-ups I worked with.

amckay Jun 18, 2005 10:36 AM said:

Yup, your issue was a union issue, not a fed issue. It's a pretty sick practice to demand dues from people you don't really represent. Pure greed and nothing more. Chris had the same problem when he worked for the City as a temp employee. All the dues, all the hours, none of the benefits. Government employees shouldn't be unionised - government income streams are essentially fixed. Wages should be set and indexed on inflation, as well as on a matrix according to years of service. Wages and benefits can be determined by a formula which takes into account private sector practices. Raises which exceed the inflation rate is robbing taxpayers. And any services a government offers are by definition essential services, otherwise the government shouldn't be doing it in the first place. So there should be no right to strike in the government.

A few years ago all we heard from government unions was that they wanted "to be treated more like the private sector". But that's not really what they wanted. THey wanted to be paid like the private sector, yet with none of the risk of the private sector. Have their cake and eat it, too, as it were. Being treated like the private sector means being open to having 2/3 or 3/4 of your workforce lose their jobs, like we've seen at Nortel. Being treated like the private sector also largely means not being unionised.

Big unions are as much of a problem as big government and big business. They tend to be too powerful, and you give them an inch, and they want a mile. And they also tend to strongly protect the dead-beats probably just because any union dues are better than no union dues. Self-preservation above all else. Of course, sometimes there is poetic justice in the midst of all that. e.g. Buzz Hargrove put Canada 3000 out of business when he made too many demands and called what he thought was a bluff but turned out to be the bitter reality of the post 9/11 airline industry. Pure greed and being drunk on power blurred what to everyone else was blatantly obvious. He's every bit as much at fault as the clowns who were running the company in the first place. And now he's lost all that revenue from those union dues. I'm sure that finally drove it home for him in the end.

Miss Vicky Jun 19, 2005 09:02 AM said:

There are plenty of other examples where unions have stood up for part-time and temp workers - the UPS strike a few years ago was all about getting rid of two-tiered employment within the company.

Of course, when you're paying union dues you have every right to participate in union business, and people working on contract should be mobilizing within their unions to get them to address their issues. I have no argument with unions that want to reduce the overuse of temp employment within their bargaining units - employees need and deserve stable employment. But they also have to negotiate rights to those jobs for the folks who've been toiling in them, sometimes for years. That's the approach we're taking in academia, anyway. BC's university colleges have been pretty successful at that - they have "regularized" a whole mess of contingent faculty. It took a 10 year campaign, though.

Unionization is about more than wages - it's about fair employment practices, access to due process, fair grievance procedures, protection from harassment, safe workplaces, and having a say when it comes to your working conditions. Unions have also played an important role in setting basic employment standards and establishing social programs that benefit everyone. Now, there are good unions and bad unions out there, that's for sure. But they are at least democratically structured.... if folks don't like their union, they should get involved and change it.

Dr.Dawg Jun 19, 2005 10:16 AM said:

It's simply not true that unions do not represent term employees in the federal public service, nor is it true that those workers pay dues, put in the hours, but get "none of the benefits."

Temporary workers who are union members get every one of the benefits in their collective agreement, and they get the same union representation as anyone else. The one thing they DON'T get, unfortunately, is permanent employment, unless they've been employed for five years as a term.

The union I was part of considered the issue of term employment a priority, but, given that it was (and remains) legally enjoined from bringing staffing to the bargaining table, its approach was of necessity indirect.

Some friends at a CEC found that they, as terms, were about 80% of the workforce there. They organized various actions, and had some of the term jobs converted to permanent ones. That's unionism at its best--collective grassroots mobilizing.

I wish the anti-union types would get a grip on reality. Why job insecurity is painted as a virtue is beyond me. The recent massive downsizing in the public sector surely put the lie to the claim that federal public sector workers have job security anyway. The workers who were left ended up doing far more, but failed to share in the productivity gain. But, while their standard of living declined in real terms, the increases and bonuses for managers skyrocketed.

The right to strike is a fundamental one, thwarted by escalating state intervention that has led to repeated sanctioning of Canada by the ILO. Abolishing that right amounts to a kind of slavery.
After all, it's the only power that workers have in negotiations with the employer, even if the latter simply pass legislation in knee-jerk fashion these days.

amckay Jun 19, 2005 04:35 PM said:

I'll leave the specifics to liss76 on how she was not getting any of the benefits of her union. I know for certain my friend Chris was trying to get himself a free pair of workboots as the full-timers had a right to, but he was unable to get a pair. Maybe you are right they get what is in the negotiated agreement, but what gets negotiated for temps is not necessarily the same as what gets negotiated for full-timers.

And I'm not the least bit anti-union. I just think it's McDonald's and Wal-Mart where unions are dreadfully needed, not the auto industry and the federal government. Their job is done on those fronts. And I'm a realist when it comes to "job security" - there is no such thing. If there is a massive downturn in an industry, then the company's income will be seriously impacted. If the company is taking in only half what it used to take in, of course they can no longer afford to employ the same number of employees. It is very basic economics. They are only selling half as much product so only need enough employees to produce half as much. To protect the workforce in a situation like this only drives the company further toward the brink of bankruptcy, as we saw very clearly with Canada 3000. Guys like Buzz Hargrove have lost their grip on reality to suggest that the company should preserve the workforce in a situation like this when there is grossly insufficient income to do so.

I'm not sure where you get the impression I paint job insecurity as a virtue, I'm just saying that if someone wants "to be treated like the private sector", then this is part and parcel. I'm not sure either what you consider to be "massive" layoffs, but some numbers would help. Nortel went from over 90,000 employees globally to under 30,000. From 15,000 in Ottawa to 5,000. I somehow doubt that the feds had anything even remotely approaching those numbers, but will gladly be proven wrong by numbers.

And I'll stand by my comment that government workers have to by definition be considered an essential service and should have no right to strike. And benefits should be some sort of composite of the private sector so there should be nothing to negotiate. So with no right to strike, and no need to negotiate anything, why is a union required?

amckay Jun 19, 2005 05:03 PM said:

Unionization is about more than wages - it's about fair employment practices, access to due process, fair grievance procedures, protection from harassment, safe workplaces, and having a say when it comes to your working conditions.

Yes, you are completely right. However, we have government agencies in place to deal with everything there but wages (unless you count min. wage laws, which would not be fair). I guess that is why unions so often come across as just being in it for more money - because we've outgrown the need for them for anything else. And in the case of money, I'd sooner see a merit-based system where the best workers get the best raises. Not a one-size-fits-all where the slacker gets the same raise as the star employee.

I know most of the strikes I've seen in the last 10 years or so have been based on what I considered to be unreasonable demands. And as someone who has a lifetime exposure to unions I try to learn about the demands of each strike to fairly assess whether or not I support the union morally. In fact, the more I started to fairly assess each situation rather than just blindly go into it with the mindset "we must support the union", the more I began to see just how unrealistic most of the demands really were. And all the more a disallusioned Socialist I became. The only issue I can think of recently that I supported was 4-5 years ago when government cafeteria workers were striking to get rid of split-shifts. The rest were of the sort "give 'em an inch and they want a mile". Huge wage demands were of course the norm. And in the case of PSAC in particular, it seems that every single time there is a contract negotiation, they force it to the brink and a strike is imminent. Give me a freaking break already. "Never cry wolf". Surely to goodness the situation in the federal government is not this bad. The union leaders of 100 years ago who got their kneecaps busted for trying to organise would probably agree with me in ridiculing this behavior.

FWIW I've had about a half percent raise in the last 5 years at Nortel (and in fairness a bonus one year of about 2 percent). I'm not unrealistic to think they can afford to give me more. And at the same time I sit and watch as hordes of workers get outsourced to India, China, Romania and so on. I watch as my coworkers train these people to do their jobs. I watch as my 2 best friends get laid so that 5 people can be hired in some other country. And I've even been known to suggest that maybe we need a union at Nortel because of this. But that's when I realise that a union wouldn't do a bit of good on this front. The employees who remain get treated and paid extremely well. Even if they haven't had a raise in some time. Outsourcing is global economics at its worst, and the only way to stop it is at a government level. Unions are certainly powerless to have any affect. In fact, since they also tend to have their heads in the sand, they would probably do more harm than good as we saw with the CAW at Canada 3000.

I just don't really see a fight worth fighting in most of these cases. It's tying up a whole whack of resources on relatively minor issues when there are much bigger things going on unnoticed.

amckay Jun 19, 2005 06:16 PM said:

I should point out that I do strongly agree with the right to unionise, and agree that many of the aforementioned things need to be fought for. And this is precisely why I become so enfuriated with some of the behavior I see. (Though government is a special case - how can you bargain against yourself?).

I see some of our country's biggest unions squandering these rights on non-issues. I see them bitching, bitching, bitching when their members are some of the best-treated in the world, hands down. A serious reality-check is required, and if we aren't all careful that reality-check is going to come in the form of a massive "economic readjustment" and a lesson in global economics. These union leaders have trivialised the rights that so many have fought and some even died for. "Never cry wolf", and so many of them are just crying and crying it and now their crys fall on deaf ears. They are making fools of themselves, as well as out of those of us who for so many years supported them blindly.

My father taught me early "choose your battles wisely", and it is something I take dearly to heart. If only some of these union leaders could have learned the same thing. When e.g. PSAC strikes every single time their contract is up for negotiation, they are not at all choosing their battles wisely. They are making fools of themselves, and squandering the rights that others have won for them.

The problem is that we take far too much for granted in North America. We've won the lottery by nature of where we were born. Yet we demand more, more, more. But the global economic stage is finally set such that much of what we take for granted can be washed away in an instant if we aren't careful. People like Buzz Hargrove are serving only to speed up that process. PSAC is in a different situation since government workers cannot be moved overseas, and this is part of why they are a special case. But when the only industries left in this country are Tim Hortons and Wal-Mart, there will not be enough tax revenue to support the voracious PSAC appetite. Yet their leaders will remain like Nero fiddling while Rome burns, and they'll continue to make their even more unrealistic demands.

amckay Oct 16, 2005 07:50 AM said:

I thought I should come back into this thread and mention that I heard Hargrove on the radio the other day talking about his negotiations with one of the big auto manufacturers (Ford?), and I have a whole new respect for him. Sounds to me like he's actually learned quite a bit in the last few years, especially from the misdealings with Canada 3000. He was talking a whole lot about things which were important to trade unionists 50 years ago but were not necessarily a part of today's reality, and how it only makes sense to put some of them back onto the table. I'd like to dig out some details on the agreement and what some of these things might have been. He didn't really go into much detail.

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