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Civic Hospital Relocation

Fri Sep 5, 2008 Miss Vicky 

So the rumours have been flying for some time now about the possible relocation of the Ottawa Hospital's Civic Campus. The facility is dated and cramped and there is very little room for expansion. Reaction to the possibility of opening up some space across the road on Experimental Farm land was mixed. But that was a bit of a red herring anyway - what's really under consideration is a 60-acre site at Woodroffe and Hunt Club. And it looks like things are moving along. The 20-year project has gotten the all-clear from the Champlain LHIN (our health planning authority). Presumably it now needs the co-operation of the NCC, and ,of course, the money.

Now, the site is not listed in the NCC's list of urban lands that may be subject to development or sale. Nope, according to this map, the location is considered part of the "National Interest Land Mass". According to their site, Landholdings are a key element in the achievement of the NCC’s mandate and are essential to the long-term task of ensuring that the Capital region is physically coherent, effective in terms of its functioning and symbolically meaningful to Canadians. These lands are called the “National Interest Land Mass” (NILM). NILM lands that the federal government — mainly through the NCC and its predecessors — has gathered together over the past century include parks, monuments, public places, heritage buildings, shorelines and large areas of green space, such as Gatineau Park and the Greenbelt. They combine, as the NILM, to create a Capital that will inspire Canadians with pride and be passed on as a legacy for future generations..

In other words, the land is currently part of the Greenbelt. According to this map, it's in the Pinhey Forest. But then there is this map, which is part of the Greenbelt Master Plan, which describes it as "cultivated landscape" - otherwise known as farming and forestry - plus what looks like a chunk identified as a buildable site area. Buildable site areas are supposed to "accommodate organizations of Capital importance with specialized land needs, such as seclusion or large areas", not to mention providing the NCC with a source of revenue to support Greenbelt operations. It's not clear from the Master Plan whether a hospital would meet their criteria, but then again the Greenbelt Master Plan is currently under review by the NCC. Presumably the shifting of 60 hectares of Greenbelt space to a new hospital site will be part of their deliberations.

At any rate, the move would leave our community without easy access to a hospital, not to mention the various clinics, labs and doctor's offices that currently surround the Civic that may find it more convenient to relocate closer to the hospital once the move is complete. I'm sure the neighbouring residents will not mourn the loss of the parking and traffic mayhem, not to mention the wandering smokers... but I can imagine some mixed feelings even in the surrounding streets.

Miss Vicky would love to hear what folks think about this potential move. Any thoughts?

Some people were moved to reply

david Sep 5, 2008 03:21 PM said:

The justification I heard for moving the Civic is that there are too many downtown hospitals. So here's a thought exercise: if you were hit by a car on Rideau St at 4:00 pm on a weekday, which downtown hospital would you ask the ambulance to take you to?

That's a trick question -- there isn't any. You'd be looking at a 20-30 minute drive to a hospital in the south end (General), east end (Montfort), or west end (Civic).

Unlike other cities (Toronto, Montreal, Kingston, London, etc.), Ottawa has ZERO downtown hospitals. Now they want to get rid of one of the few hospitals that's within 5 km of the downtown core, because, apparently, even zero is too many for urbanites.

Miss Vicky Sep 5, 2008 03:30 PM said:

yeah that is just ridiculous. Unless by "downtown" they mean "the suburbs"

DaveW Sep 5, 2008 07:38 PM said:

The Montfort is about as downtownish as the Civic, at least according to google maps, though it has the disadvantage of being on the otherside of the river from centertown and being hard to access because of only two bridge crossings...

[Edited By DaveW Sep 05, 2008 07:42 PM]

adavidso Sep 6, 2008 11:16 AM said:

I really hope that this gets filed in the crazy bad idea drawer soon, and forgotten. There are other solutions that include re-building on the present site. Ottawa is so low-density (even the civic site) that any argument that space is running out there is laughable. We need to look at Toronto and Vancouver before we even begin to complain about density and space issues.

liss76 Sep 6, 2008 12:28 PM said:

Rebuild on the existing site. Build higher and better. And, really, obtaining a bit of land from the Farm should be made possible. The "official" reasons against that idea are so indefensible that they make me laugh.

Miss Vicky Sep 6, 2008 12:56 PM said:

What kills me is the astounding amount money currently being wasted upgrading the existing Civic while intending to shift over to the 'burbs.... I agree, building up makes sense.

Richgold Sep 6, 2008 09:32 PM said:

The buildings are very old. They'd have to be demolished and everything rebuilt on the site in order to accommodate new medical procedures.

That some one would classify this or any hospital as being "downtown" is laughable. I'd like to see their definition of that.

JMG Sep 7, 2008 10:15 AM said:

Where is this city headed?

Ottawa has a big intensification plan that it promotes as if the future belongs to urban neighborhoods such as ours.

The big market for real estate in this city is urban.

More housing is going up within the city center. Completed, the 160 acre Lebreton Flats Development will have 4000 residential units.

People--largely aging baby boomers--are giving up their suburban homes and choosing an urban lifestyle.

A big city needs a hospital that is “centralized” for a population that is becoming increasingly urban.

[Edited By JMG Sep 07, 2008 10:18 AM]

The Webgeek Sep 7, 2008 01:03 PM said:

The big market for real estate in this city is urban.

This is the crux of the issue I believe. An unbelievably short-sited crux, but a crux none-the-less. The city is looking at
a) spending monster bucks fixing up/re-building an ageing facility, or
b) selling off extremely lucrative real-estate to condo developers and using the funds to offset building for cheaper outside of the core.

This is the exact same thing that school boards seem to be facing. Fixing up inner city schools is seen as "counter-productive" since they can sell the land and build in the suburbs. Ironically, the self-same school-house come condos then get sold to young families who are moving to the area. Young families that now have one less school to choose from for their kids to attend.

Now, the problem, of course is compounded by short sited developers who don't seem to realize that replacing hospitals, schools and other urban "amenities" makes the area they are building in less attractive to potential buyers. You want to live in an area with lots of school and a hospital nearby, but if those schools and hospitals turn into condo's then what's the point of moving there?

I bet the city already has a buyer or two waiting to buy the buildings -- builders who will no doubt call their new development something like the "civic campus lots", to try and play off the caché of the area they've just decimated -- completely ignoring the irony of doing so, as well.

[Edited By The Webgeek Sep 07, 2008 01:04 PM]

jonmalcontent Sep 9, 2008 04:32 AM said:

Not sure how much ever comes of joining Facebook groups, but there's a "Don't Move Civic Hospital" group:

http://www.new.facebook.com/s. php?k=100000004&id=1620282 6268&gr=2&sid=78a12f79 7943e204babbb7e53c9fbc16

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