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Smart Meters: Stupid Idea

Fri Feb 3, 2006 The Webgeek 

While waking up this morning to our now Anthony-less CBC Morning show, I heard a news piece about councilor Rick Chiarelli's desire to replace existing parking meters with Smart Parking Meters. These things are meant to self-enforce parking by-laws by taking your money, then automatically mailing you a parking ticket -- with a photo of your licence plate as proof -- once your vehicle has over-stayed its welcome. His rationalization for the change was two fold; first, they cost as much as the new "pay and display" systems popping up around town so they wouldn't cost "any extra" to install, and secondly, the enforcement officers could now work safely behind computer screen, instead of out on the street.

Now, that sounds peachy doesn't it? Until you realize that we will have to pay to replace the "same cost" pay and display units that were just installed in last few years. Of course that extra cost may be offset by the savings garnered from laying off most of those now safe-behind-a-computer parking enforcement officers. It takes less man power to click a mouse than it does to drive around the entire city. Of course, if their union is halfway decent, the severance packages might cut into that savings too.

Lets face it, like photo radar before it, this is little else than a short-sighted cash grab attempt. And, like photo radar, it will undoubtedly prove so noxious to voters as to make it's removal a election promise. A promise we will once more have to pay for. At least photo radar had the dubious claim of attempting to slow down drivers. Instant parking tickets offer no such safety claim.

Besides, the problem with smart technologies like this is, often times they're not all that smart. How effective is an unmanned system that can be undermined by a post-it notes stuck over your licence plate -- or no plate at all, for Quebec drivers. And who's to say that the system will read the plates correctly in the first place? How much extra will we have to pay for maintenance when vandals undoubtedly start covering camera lenses with bubble gum, vaseline or spray paint? How long before some citizen sues over invasion of privacy, when an instantly mailed-out ticket inadvertently gives away thier location to an overly-suspicious spousee or overly-protective parent? How much will that cost us?

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amckay Feb 3, 2006 01:44 PM said:

Or imagine if they ever got used to find the person who killed a teenage girl? Imagine the outrage!

There are 2 sides to that coin.

Obviously the things should not just be dropped in without first studying some of the excellent issues you've raised. For the record I'm strongly in favour of monitoring systems like photo radar, photo red-light-catchers and possibly even these if I find out more about them. If you do the crime, you've done the crime regardless of whether it's a real person or a computer that catches you doing it. And with government coffers stretched to their limits I applaud efforts to get dangerous drivers off the roads which also bring in much-needed revenue to fund things like social programs.

Just yesterday I was eastbound on Wellington and the light at Holland turned red. The first car westbound ran the yellow. Then the guy behind him very blatantly ran the red, and incredulously THE GUY BEHIND HIM ran it too, even though the green had been on in the other direction for quite a few seconds at this point. I applaud efforts to give schleck-holes like that a nice little surprise in the mail. I'd love to see every light in our neighbourhood installed with one of those things. In fact, it would even make me feel safer about my wife and kids being out in the neighbourhood.

Though these parking meter things do seem easy to fool - at least the other photo technologies are out of reach so you can't just put gum over them, as you note.

[Edited By amckay Feb 03, 2006 01:44 PM]

The Webgeek Feb 3, 2006 03:01 PM said:

A- As I mentioned in the original Jennifer Teague discussion a camera in the downtown core will *NOT* catch a a killer in suburban Bell's Corners. There is no way in hell the city, province or country will pay to cover every single square inch of land mass with cameras. They'll cover urban centres only. That would not have helped Jennifer Teague.

B- Red light cameras are one of the few things I would concede to as making a possible dent in a specific problem (Ottawa drivers' penchant for running red lights). But they don't deter running red lights, they merely make it easier to prove its been done. However, the money spent on these systems and their upkeep can also be spent on a media campaigns (a la Drunk Driving) and speed-trap like enforcement blitzes in high problem intersections. Neither of these will infringe on people's privacy and will be a much more flexible and effective deterrent than the hit and miss "if we get a clear picture" method cameras provide.

C- "feeling safer" and actually "BEING safer" are two completely different things. Please show me one instance where cameras actually deterred a crime? ONE! All cameras do is let you catch the offender of a criminal act after they've committed it. The poor girl in Montreal that got killed during her first graveyard shift wasn't spared because of the CCTV cameras at the gas station that night. Yes, they had suspects immediately -- suspects who knew the cameras were there, since they were former co-workers -- but that doesn't bring her back.

D- Automatic ticket-spewing parking meters have nothing to do with "public safety". It's intrusive. They tie your credit card to your car to your mobile phone for automatic payments. While this is sold as a "convenience"; they can have my CC or cell phone provider billed automatically in the case of overages. However, the possibility for abuse is staggering. Who gets access to that info and why? Does a photo get taken when I pull in, or when I leave, or when the time expires? How long is it held and/or tracked? Can someone's' parking habits be tracked? Is there a manual override to automatically turn these into surveillance cameras? It uses wireless access to the internet to communicate back to head office; how easy is this thing to hack?

E- It's not just a bad idea because its easily surcumvented. It's a bad idea because it's a CASH GRAB. plain and simple

Look at this how it works page. Specifically the scenarios at the bottom.

1) A vehicle parks, the driver pays for one hour and but leaves after twenty minutes. ... the meter resets to zero when the first vehicle leaves. The next vehicle must pay for their own parking.
So the city gets to charge double (or more) times for the same Time period CASH GRAB!
2) A driver parks in a stall and remains in the vehicle without feeding meter.
IE "Stopped", not parked. If you're in your car, and it's running, you are not parked. But this thing dings you anyways. Sends the bill in the mail, plus penalties. CASH GRAB.
3) Vehicle parks, the driver pays for one hour but stays for two hours. ... the vehicle’s license plate is recorded with the PVM's digital camera and a photo violation is instantly transmitted to the central office for processing. From now on, drivers will be sure to pay, even overpay to prevent ticketing. (emphasis mine) CASH GRAB
4) The driver pays for parking but his meeting goes late. ... for a small additional fee at the meter, drivers may opt for parking time to be automatically incremented by the hour up to the maximum parking time right on their credit card. (emphasis Mine)
Again CASH GRAB. In fact, this one is the nastiest. I can pay for my time PLUS addition "insurance" fee. If I come out on time (or early) I'm dinged the extra fee. If I come out late (up to the maximum parking time) I get dinged for all time I used Plus the fee. And if I stay past the max time, Parking time, Fee + ticket. Weeeee!

[Edited By The Webgeek Feb 03, 2006 03:20 PM]

amckay Feb 3, 2006 03:53 PM said:

A. Might help solve a murder in that area.

B. Show me the comparitive numbers.

C. You are absolutely right. (Obligatory reference to gun registration :-)) Though you should know better than most that one's state of mind can project a certain confidence to others that does act as a deterrant. Feeling safe can actually help make you safe.

D. I'm still undecided on the parking meters.

E. "Cash Grab" is a huge red herring. Any government has to have sources of revenue, otherwise where do we get the money to spend on social programs? Everyone wants the government to pay for their healthcare, their needle exchanges, bursaries for their local arts group, and, and, and. Where's that money all coming from? Public coffers are already stretched to their limits. What's wrong with letting the law-breakers pay (in the case of speeding and red-light cams)? Nothing, I say.

1) excellent source of income! very creative. Maybe the QUAD can benefit from more city funding as a result.

2) should have to pay anyway. These kind of drivers drive me crazy. They park all the time on our street creating chaos. With husband waiting in the car for wife to come back from the market. They park right in front of No Parking signs, and when I approach them and point this out, they say "I'm not parking". Bull-schleck. You're parking.

3,4) Even more money for the QUAD. Good work!

Alternately, pick your favorite social program and kiss it goodbye because there is no money for it. We need money to pay for the things we like our city to provide us.

amckay Feb 3, 2006 04:02 PM said:

p.s. on C. As you admit yourself, cameras do help catch the crooks after the fact. LIke the girl in Montreal. While it does no good for the person already affected by that person, it will keep that person from committing more crime. So I would argue very strongly it is preventing crime.

The Webgeek Feb 3, 2006 04:54 PM said:

to your replies

A) Supposed benifits are very hard to quantify. When law inforcement becomes more conserned with catching criminals than in protecting citizens, every one starts looking like criminals in their eyes. sort of that whole "if the only tool you have is a hammer" paradox.

B) Ditto. Disprove my assertion that a camera that no one sees and only takes pictures after the fact is less effective than a pile of cops that everyone sees randomly appearing at various intersections and visibly pulling over drivers for running red lights. Actually. Don't. this discussion is about the parking meters. Not red light cameras.

C) Self-confidence and false hope are two differnet things. You and I feel safer because we know we're capable of defending ourselves. Feeling safer because some magic eye is looking out for you, when it isn't, doesn't make you safer. but again, Parking meters -- not survielence cameras.

D) See bellow.

E) Where's that money all coming from, you ask?
Oh, I don't know... how about taxes? (and secondarily Lotteries) The problem isn't that people want the government to pay for all that stuff, it's that municipal governments have had all those services offloaded onto their plates by provincial and federal governmnets while getting funding from those self same levels cut. All so Harper and Martin and Harris could give wealthy people tax cuts. You're right, the money's got to come from somewhere. But slamming your citizens left and right with all form of user fee and fines and ticket isn't creative -- it's extortion.


1) Not creative. Greedy and dishonest. It's double dipping. If you rented a hotel room for a week and discovered that they were renting it out by the hour when you weren't there, you'd be pissed. If I rent a parking space for an hour, why should the city get to re-rent out that time I left unused.

2) You know what, you may dislike it, but it's true. They're not parking. They're stopping. Parking is leaving your car unattended. Stopping isn't. Nailing someone for a parking ticket when they aren't parking is the quickest way to get a ticket thrown out of court. And anyways, the peson stopped in fromt of a no parking sign won't get nailed, because there isn't a parking meter.

3 & 4) Governments setting up systems to screw people out of more money than they needed to pay should not be encouraged. Ever.

amckay Feb 3, 2006 08:54 PM said:

A) you are probably right, but in response to B) it's an awful lot cheaper than a cop on every corner. I'd far rather have the cop on every corner mind you

C) probably right

E) we seem to agree to a large extent. The city's hands are tied. They have precious few means at their disposal to raise money. I applaud every effort to look for alternate means of financing. Even if some of them turn out to be dumb ideas as this may well do, at least people are putting on their thinking caps and brainstorming. For every really good idea, there are 10 really dumb ones. You can't get to the really good one without plowing through the 10 really dumb ones.

1) if the market will bear it, then it' is what it is. If nobody will use the meters, they'll be forced to take them out.

2) sounds like I have to email the city and ask them to change the no parking signs to no stopping signs

3 & 4) see (E) and (1)

amckay Feb 3, 2006 09:25 PM said:

Further to E), you are right to stress downloading. THat is of course a major if not the major problem for cities. But it's a done deal. Cities simply have to deal with the hand that's been dealt to them. Even the "new deal for cities" that some parties have been talking about in the federal election is a far cry from setting things straight. It's still just handouts. Cities need autonomy. They need to be able to tax directly. In fact, I think we have the whole damned thing upside down. Cities should be the primary taxers, and they should take what they need and hand the rest up to the next level. Cities are the political entities which are most important in people's day-to-day lives, and are where most of people's services are delivered. It's ludicrous to have them funded with leftovers from the next 2 levels of government.

But until there is substantial change - not just "a new deal" but real and substantial change - we've got to do the best with what we've been given. Which ain't much.

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